Things are getting too serious in this blog. Shifting tracks…
Selecting an all time cricket team used to one of my favorite exercises in school and college times. Since one day cricket was just starting to become popular – 83 world cup win, and 84 World Series Championship win happened after I joined college – there wasn’t much history and much scope for arguing. And I think we just wanted to hang out and argue more than anything else. So it used to Visvanath vs Gavaskar, Bedi vs Chandrasekhar, who should partner Kapil dev…
While selecting this XI, I have some guidelines to myself.
1. Performing abroad is much more important than performing in India. In Indian conditions, Kapil can be a perfectly adequate number 6 batsman in India – I think he averages around 35 with the bat in India. Abroad, he probably averages 25 and would be a good number 8. Bedi is a terrific bowler in Indian conditions – abroad, he needs to bowl 10 more balls and give 10 more runs on average to get a wicket.
2. Ideal composition of a team is 5 batsman, 1 allrounder, 1 wicketkeeper, and 4 bowlers. It would help if there is a mixture of right and left handed batsmen, if the wicketkeeper is a reasonable bat, if there are 3-4 batting/bowling allrounders in addition to the designated allrounder.
3. For the batsmen, ability to play fast bowling, swing bowling is valuable. This is what they can expect abroad.
Openers: Gavaskar and Sehwag. They are the only world class openers India has produced. Both average more than 50 abroad. Gavaskar does well in the company of an attacking batsman – remember his association with Srikkanth? One grafter, one attacking batsman is the ideal combination. If Sehwag suceeds, Gavaskar would have an easier job. If Sehwag fails, Gavaskar would probably try harder. Sehwag should also bowl a bit more – expect to bowl 5-10 overs in every match, especially when 3 pacers are selected.
Other candidates are Vijay Merchant – rejected because he didn’t play enough tests (not even 1000 runs in tests), Ravi Shastri (didn’t open enough), Sidhu (record so-so abroad), Srikkanth (poor average, failed more often than succeeded), Chetan Chauhan (good association with Gavaskar, but that alone is not enough).
Middle Order: India hasn’t produced too many great batsmen. Vijay Hazare, Polly Umrigar, Gundappa Visvanath, Mohinder Amarnath, Dilip Vengsarkar, Mohammad Azharuddin, Sachin Tendulkar, Saurabh Ganguly, Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman – that’s it. My ranking of them is as follows:
1. Sachin Tendulkar
2. Rahul Dravid (Runs Tendulkar close)
3. Gundappa Visvanath (Much better than his figures)
4. VVS Laxman
5. Vijay Hazare
6. Saurabh Ganguly
7. Mohinder Amarnath (Terrific record abroad, poor record in India)
8. Mohammad Azharuddin
9. Polly Umrigar
10. Dilip Vengsarkar (Figures high in many lists due to his coming at #1 in the world rankings for a year or so, but record is poor in every country except India & England)
For the record, I place Gavaskar & Sehwag, in that order, between Dravid & Visvanath. In other words, Gavaskar is the # 3 on my Indian batsman list, Sehwag is #4, Visvanath is #5 and everybody other than Sachin & Dravid gets pushed down by 2 in this list.
Given this, the middle order more or less selects itself.
One down: Rahul Dravid. Tendulkar, Dravid and Gavaskar are the three world class batsmen we have produced.
Two down: Sachin Tendulkar. He should be used as a bowler to some extent – should expect to bowl 10 overs in every match.
Three down: Saurabh Ganguly! It is blasphemous not to include Visvanath, but Saurabh is the best captain India ever had, his left handedness is an advantage, and his bowling would help in England, and the right conditions. We need a strong captain to lead this team of prima donnas, and Pataudi is the only other choice. Saurabh beats Pataudi as a batsman any day.
Wicketkeeper: Farook Engineer. Pips Dhoni by a small margin. Engineer was a full fledged batsman in the early seventies, especially abroad. But I expect Dhoni to replace Engineer in a couple of more years. Kirmani is the only competition – he is the best keeper of the lot, but his weaker batting counts against him. Kunderan may be a good choice – but he hasn’t really played abroad (just 4 tests in nearly 10 years, and he failed in them)
All rounder: Vinoo Mankad. This means no Bedi. Bedi is not very effective abroad. Neither is Mankad, but we don’t have a good allrounder. Mankad averages around 30 with the bat – which is not great, but ok. In India, he is probably equivalent to Bedi as a bowler, but abroad Bedi is a bit better. But Mankad’s batting triumphs over Bedi’s advantage in bowling.
All rounder #2: Kapil Dev. Surprisingly, Kapil’s bowling figures are better in India! He has never succeeded in England. Kapil averages around 27 with the bat abroad, and 33 with the ball. Useful, but not great. But there is no choice! Manoj Prabhakar is the only competition, and he pales in comparison against Kapil.
Fast Bowler: Srinath. Only choice. Zaheer has performed well abroad, though.
Spinner: Kumble. Beats off stiff competition from Chandrasekhar, Prasanna, Subash Gupte, Bedi and Harbhajan. His record used to be very poor abroad, but he has turned things around in the second half of his career.
Last Bowler: The best bowler among the remaining crowd is Chandra. He took around 4 wickets per match, though a little expensive – averaged around 32. For balance, (Mankad is the leftie, Kumble is the leggie) if I want an off spinner here, it would be Prasanna. He is the only offspinner who had some success abroad. If I want a pacer here, it would be Zaheer. Zaheer’s performance in India is very poor, but his figures abroad are good. A wicket every 56 balls, at an average cost of 32.
Again, if I sum up the averages abroad, this team can be expected to score around 370 runs per innings without counting extras – 740 runs per test. Assuming that Zaheer plays, this set of bowlers would claim around 19 wickets at 680. Not outs skew averages; noballs & wides were not counted for bowlers from olden days. So matches would be close, but they should be able to beat most teams..
My test XI to play abroad again:
Sunil Gavaskar
Virender Sehwag
Rahul Dravid (Vice Captain)
Sachin Tendulkar
Saurabh Ganguly (Captain)
Farukh Engineer (Wicketkeeper)
Vinoo Mankad
Kapil Dev
Anil Kumble
Javagal Srinath
Zaheer Khan
Mankad or Engineer can open in a pinch.
I would select the reserves from a team of Visvanath, Laxman, Mohinder, Azhar, Shastri, Dhoni, Chandra, Pras, Bedi, Gupte, Manoj Prabhakar, Venkatesh Prasad. Ideally, I need two extra batsmen, a reserve wicket keeper, 2 bowlers, at least one of whom should be a medium pacer. It would depend on the country I am touring. For example, I would select Mohinder for Pakistan or West Indies, for example above other batsmen.
If I have to make a generic selection, it would be Visvanath, Laxman, Dhoni, Venkatesh Prasad & Chandra. If I get a 17th player, it would be Prasanna. Prasad is the weakest selection, and I hope Ishant Sharma or Sreesanth replaces him soon!
April 1, 2009 at 4:08 பிற்பகல்
I was doing the same exercise today! I looked up the net and secured your selection. Congrats..wonderful analyses.
I may have a slight change in the single final all weather eleven when the place and conditions are not defined.
My team
1.Sunil Gavaskar
2.Virendar Sehwag
3.Vijay Hazare
4.Sachin Tendulkar
5.Rahul Dravid
6.Vinoo Mankad
7.Mahendar Dhoni[WK][Cap]
8.Kapil Dev
9.Anil Kumble
10.Javagal Srinath
11.Zaheer Khan
12.Azharuddin
Note:
Unfortunately, there is no left hander and so to fit one in
Saurav Ganguly might get in instead of Hazare. In which
case, Dravid goes one drop and Ganguly comes in three down. Dhoni could command as captain and I still prefer
him to lead over Ganguly. I am sorry, I cannot fit in the best off spinner Prasanna who could come in place of only Mankad but that will weaken the batting. If you
note that either of our teams are the worst fielding team one could conjure. Wish we had many Azhars in the final eleven to plug this very serious gap.
My rating for Indian batsman
1. Virendar Sehwag ?!
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sunil Gavaskar
5. Vijay Hazare
6. V.V.S. Laxman
7. Viswanath
8. Ganguly[because his test av. never dipped
below 40]
9. Vijay Manjrekar
10. Azharuddin
11. Mohinder Amarnath
12. Polly Umrigar
13 Dilip Vengsarkar
14. Sanjay Manjrekar
15. Pataudi
16. Dilip Sardesai
17. Chandu Borde
I wonder where Hanumanth would have fitted if he had
had more opportunities.And Ganguly is the greatest Indian left hander. I have the hunch that the hungry Gambhir could end up as the best Indian left hander.
And can Yuvraj, a fabulous talent can he tighten his defence and become really great? I have more expectations
from Suresh Raina than Rohit Sharma.
And why Sehwag at No 1 ahead of Tendulkar,Dravid
and Gavaskar. Because of his utter capability to turn a match round, his electric run scoring pace and in the fullest flow of all these top batsman, it is Sehwag the most dreaded and opponents would like to see the back of this man than even any other of the rest! Yes, I am
a total fan of Viru..
All the best,
Raghuraman
April 10, 2009 at 5:30 மு.பகல்
Raghuraman,
Very interesting analysis of an all time test XI! I guess we have used different criteria for selection. Hope to hear more from you!
ஜூலை 21, 2009 at 9:27 மு.பகல்
Let me chip in with my two cents on this. I have a team readily available because I do this exercise all the time to the chagrin of my wife.
My All-time India XI
Gavaskar
Merchant
Dravid
Tendulkar
Hazare
Dhoni (c) (wk)
Kapil
Kumble
Srinath
Bedi
Gupte
Well, I have two leg spinners in Kumble and Gupte and an orthodox left-armer in Bedi (it is tough to leave out Mankad, but you can only have 11 in a team!!) in addition to the pace bowling of Kapil and Srinath. Obviously the attack looks lopsided because you need more pacers than tweakers and also you don’t need two leggies. But my logic is founded more on pragmatism than romanticism. We never produced world class pacers other than kapil (and to a certain extent Srinath). I would rather not risk sending in mediocre pacers like zaheer but rely on good old bedi and gupte who performed exceptionally well against champion teams abroad despite their own teams lacking in quality batsmen. We don’t have a problem with that here. In Merchant, Gavaskar has the most reliable opening partner he can dream of. Vishy and Saurav are unlucky to miss out. But, apart from scoring twin hundreds against Bradman’s australians, Hazare was also a decent pace man. So he would be handy if Kapil or Srinath need a break when the ball is still shiny.
Also, I have gone for Dhoni to keep the batting strong. Farokh was primarily an opener. Dhoni seems more of a natural at no.6. I also respect his captaincy enough to give him that responsibility over Rahul or Sunny. And watching him and Kapil go hammer and tongs together should be fun.
ஜூலை 21, 2009 at 8:17 பிற்பகல்
Vitthakan,
I too think that it is time to replace Engineer with Dhoni in my original XI. Dhoni has done enough with the bat by now. But I am not ready to change the captain yet. Dhoni needs more captaincy experience before I am willing to do that. I primarily consider test experience, especially abroad. Dhoni is short on that, as of now. It will be an interesting thought exercise to see whether Saurabh would merit a place purely as a batsman, if Dhoni becomes the captain.
Gupte missed selection in my original team by a whisker. He has a very good track record abroad. However, I don’t think Bedi was a great bowler if you take Indian pitches out of the equation. Even in India, his strike rate is poor – compared to Chandra, Pras, Kumble etc. He bowled a lot more, and got a lot more wickets. I would pick Chandra over Bedi any day.
Merchant hasn’t played enough tests, IMO. And Sehwag is the one batsman who inspires fear in the opposing team, I am not willing to leave him out.
ஜூலை 22, 2009 at 7:59 மு.பகல்
do you have a one-day dream xi?
ஆகஸ்ட் 3, 2009 at 8:25 மு.பகல்
Vitthakan,
One day dream XI? Some day…
செப்டம்பர் 17, 2009 at 3:40 மு.பகல்
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நவம்பர் 14, 2009 at 12:46 மு.பகல்
Tests:
Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Tendulkar, Laxman, Mankad, Engineer, Kapil Dev, Prasanna, Srinath, Gupte; 12th man: Azharuddin; Reserves: Merchant, Chandra, Zaheer Khan, Kirmani.
One day: Tendulkar, Gambhir, Ganguly, Azharuddin, Yuvraj Singh, Dhoni, Kapil Dev, Harbhajan Singh, Kumble, Zaheer Khan, Srinath; 12th man: Sehwag; Reserves: Mohinder Amarnath, Manoj Prabhakar, Sunil Joshi